Sunday, June 7, 2009

And number THREE ruined...

Thought I would compress all these posts... I had some SERIOUS fogging issues with some varnish and ruined a whole bunch of minis... very upset!:(


Chris said...

I fought with several different brands/cans of spray primer and spray varnish before deciding to stuff the canned stuff and brush the primer and varnish onto my figures. In my opinion it's just not worth the risk when I can take a little time with a brush and eliminate the chance of fogging varnish or crusty primer.

Author said...

Yeah, it is so depressing:( I might try a brush-on varnish, but it seems that would be so time consuming... maybe I am off my rocker?

Anyway... such a darn shame:(

Thanks for coming by and commiserating!

~ Tom Terrific said...

I've always had success with the Armory's spray matt varnish. Never had a fogging problem, never had paint run.

Started using it years ago in desperation after ruining a unit of Romans . . . Which, in hindsight, was my fault: sprayed a day after finishing their paint jobs. All of the metallic paints ran . . .

Still happy with Armory. Swear by it. Love it. Plus it's tough too!

~ TT

Chris said...

Another option is to use a brush-on varnish pushed through an airbrush. I haven't tried it yet, but I've read that it's possible depending on what sort of varnish you use.

MiniWargamer said...

Here are some Google-fu results for you. I have tried the respraying method and that seems to work a goodly percentage of the time.
Gloss varnishes are harder wearing than matte varnishes, but matte varnish often gives a more realistic finish. (Exceptions are naturally glossy materials, such as polished leather and metals, and wet surfaces.) Some enthusiasts use matte varnish over gloss varnish. This can also minimize the tendency of matte varnish to form a whitish residue when applied directly to paint.

Just spray it again. What happens as paint dries it releases
vapors which continue to release until the paint has fully cured,
about 24 hours. If you "seal" the figure before this time you trap
those vapors. It is also possible that the spray reacts with the
uncured paint resuling in the white film. I'm not a chemist, so I
can't say exact what causes it, but I know it happens from paint that is not cured. You may notice all that white stuff collects in the recesses of the figure where the paint is thicker and takes longer to dry and cure.

Spraying the model again should take care of the white film
and your model will be fine. I should mention that some of the other reasons mentioned are vaild; humidity, or just a bad can cause odd effects, but I have never seen it happen so I can't comment on it
becuase of lack of experience. Spraying paint that is not cured is
something I know of from personal experience. Before stripping the
model or trying something that may damage the paint try my idea
first. What do you have to lose?

Doctor Faust

--- In mini-painter@y..., wmbyrne33@m... wrote:
> The fogging effect has happned to me as well,

cnipped here =>
i don't know if this will work or not, but a guy at the local hobby
store said he used a hair dryer on the fogged parts. said something
along the lines..the topcoat dried before the rest did, and he heated
the mini's with the hair dryer to dry the clearcoat underneath. he
said it worked, but i have no proof. can't hurt to try, right? if
it didn't work, tell people you were working on their hair, and
always wanted to be a miniaturiest hairdresser. ;-)

vonkluge said...

Hi all!

tried to post the complete article I wrote on this for Lead Adventure Forum but its to long so cut and paste the link to see it. Hope it helps.

vonkluge said...

I think I see your problem... I saw that you are doing 25mm ACW figures and it looks like you are dipping them in "Minwax" or some other woodstain, is it water based or laquer based? How long is your "dry" time? I would go at least a week depending on what strength you are using the "Stain"

I would also gloss coat first! Matte coat has little protection for your minis and does not really seal them. Let this coat dry to, 24 hours. I have sped this up by a lot but I have done it a long time and am a fairly good judge. I would stay away from the brush on stuff, depending on the type and formula of the paint underneath coatings can "soften" up the paint and smudge! I have used TESTORS Gloss and Matte coatings for 20+ years and rarly had any problems. I buy it in 1 1/2 oz bottles and air brush it on.